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1.
Whos a moiser??
thank you chabad.info for posting the images of the arrest documents....now whos a moiser???
2.
Two Sides
Its unfortunate to have to see this, but at least now i see there are two sides to this story!
3.
D.A. @#$%
Holy moly! it's the d.a. prospecting them no the Bochurim, this is really bad news for the shomrim!
4.
Let the court do its job!
Justice
Justice will prevail!
5.
Thank you Chabad Info!!!
6.
shande
it does not make a diffrence who wins. this is a shande to us all, and if you think the reebe is happy with this you have your head in the ground.
7.
SHOMRIM?
C H resident
WHY WOULD I WANT TO BAIL OUT A JEW WHO IS PREPARED TO KILL ANOTHER JEW OUT OF HATRED AND NO OTHER REASON? THE COMMUNITY IS SAFER WITH THESE "SHOMRIM" BEHIND BARS IF THIS IS HOW THEY TREAT THEIR FELLOW BROTHERS. THEY SIMPLY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT THE BOCHURIM DON'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE AND THEREFORE THEY CAN SAY WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE (OR SO THEY THOUGHT) AND BECAUSE THEY ARE "SHOMRIM" THEY WILL GET AWAY WITH IT. BUT FORTUNATELY, THERE IS STILL A G-D IN THIS WORLD AND STILL RUNS THE SHOW, EVEN IF SHOMRIM THOUGHT THEY DID....
8.
What goes around comes around...
They thought that thier bloody rampage on rosh chodesh kislev would be "forgotten"!? By the aibishter NOTHING is forgotten! Mohtzoh baal din ligvos shtar chovo! May they ALL rot in jail until they drop dead together with all the other AMALEKITES and then maybe, moshiach can be revealed.
9.
j
it has nothing to do with Pidyon Shevuyim
10.
#6
It makes a difference we have to make sure this never happens again.
11.
efraim
this is gore a busha for chabad you have nothing better to do go to the park
12.
mosrim
if you realy want to know the TRUTH go to court and see for youre self. the abuve writtin letter is a lie i was in court 20min. and i saw how meny lies were going on there
13.
The Attack
boruch nissim
BS"D Horrible and mad. Heart-rending and terrible. I hope these 'rushaim' get severe punishment. Were, G-d forbid, it my son, I would want him to learn. Learn well. Sad, sad, tragic.
14.
lies
you talk of a video why dont you show it, who is yelling mosser it is the bochrim that i saw with my own two eyes are pionting at other jews in a non jewish court. and if you see the video you will see that it was edited and there was some1 telling him when to rec. and when not. so please show this video.
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Victims
Shlucha
It's pathetic that some of you persist in blaming the victim. Why is this the case? If a person is beaten by someone else, that person is a VICTIM. Understand? I guess you don't. It is an aveiro in Torah and an aveiro in the secular land. Whoever raises a hand against another is the perpetrator, and the one who got beaten up is the victim. End of story.
16.
Why pray for jail time?
teshuvah
It is well known in Jewish history that we did not pray for the Rushaim to die, be put in jail or any other punishment. But what did we do?! We prayed they should do Teshuvah. We this in last weeks sicha, the Rebbe tells the story of the Amirah who saw a Jew and the Amirah “told him “look haw disgusting you are” one of the few question’s that the rebbe asks on this story is about that Jewish fact
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as i see here
gorichnick
the complain was sign only in april 2008 that is 3 months after thy arrested shomrim. but anyway the Trial will be finish soon and for everyone to see. what is the point to write now ? if you are so strong in your opinion wait and see. maybe you can bring some of the real testimony ?
18.
agree with teshuva
love your fellow jew!
The Buchrim are not 100% right (the most 50%), you now haw many stuff I have against the Buchrim?! and do you know that if I would to right all there crimes they did, I am afraid al be typing for months. yes just like you gays I also have stuff against shomrim and if I would start typing all there crimes, just like the Buchrim I would be typing for months to! But the only thing I will be doing in court with shomrim is trying to get myself out of jail but still as much as they did I would never G-d forbid do nikumah. In sort, if buchrim try to put shomrim in jail there is no deferens between them not in crime or anything alls
19.
community torn apart
i have no idea anymore who is right either the bochurim or shomrim, but its wrong how they keep bashing eachother on the internet
20.
misyra
in genrel this site is only loshen hra
21.
the rebbe mah"m said
the rebbe mah"m
the rebbe mah"m said that a rov should write his psak on a paper and write the mehichan dantuni. if anyone has a psak please show it if you dont show it you dont have it thats all. we have only one rebbe and we have to go by his standards
22.
Dov
I think that we should forgive Hershkop and his gang of thugs and allow them to do it again anotger day and another time. Why not? Are we not loving people? Yes, lets forgive them and when they hit us again, whats the problem, we will forgive them again. Shame on those that suggest such a shameful path...
23.
yasher koach
thanks chabad.info for telling the truth - for all others: SILENCE IS A SIN, DON'T BE LIKE IOV (JOB).
24.
rebbe mhm
chaim
What is the rebbe mhms opinion on this matter? I think we shud stop fighting and instead read the rebbes igros
25.
lies
bch
lies! 1. Benyomin Lifshitz's complaint and affidavit are signed MONTHS AFTER the event! (Didn't have the brains to forge the date?) 2. The Shomrim were NOT given a way out by the DA,
26.
to no. 19
wake up
what do you mean you dont know who is right anymore - how can it be right to crack a young boy's skull open with a fire extinguisher!
27.
Chassidim are NOT our own enemies!
Sholom Achshav!
If this is indeed true that the Shomrim were offered a deal where they could get off with a "violation," then they did bring this upon themselves. After all, it is clear in another big case related to our community that the defendant was very careless and brought a lot of his own problems upon himself. In fact that is his very defense. Still, we do not wish for any Yid to sit in a goyish (or even an "Israeli") prison for so much as one minute unless he is a true menace to society. No one can claim that members of either patrol or faction are menaces to society at large; they are only engaged in ridiculous acts of machloikes and mesira against one another if all reports are to be believed. BOTH patrols need to be disbanded, all present volunteers vetted carefully by rabbonim, psychologists and perhaps retired police officers if such are available, and a new volunteer patrol needs to be formed. There are also many ex-Caribbean policemen living in Crown Heights who have even less use for the street scum than Anash do, and if they are amenable to participating in a Jewish led patrol, this would only help our cause. (Ironically, the "Association of Former Policemen of Trinidad and Tobago" meeting hall is or was located opposite a certain auto repair shop on East New York Ave.) Our enemies are the hooligans, the Nelsons and Armstrongs who infest CH, and NOT our fellow Chassidim.
28.
To 27
Begging your pardon - a chossid is ONLY one who follows and heeds the words of his Rebbe. A chossid who declares war on the holy directives and words of his Rebbe, and tries to physically hurt and R"L kill individuals who choose to follow and listen to the words of thier Rebbe - IS NOT A CHOSSID! Chassidus is NOT higher than yiddishkeit itself. In yiddishkeit you have the concept of a MISHUMOD-an apostate, someone who R"L left the Torah and serves another religion. As such, according to halacha this person is not afforded all the latitude as would another yid-who does not keep torah and mitzvos, but does not deny torah & hashem. "Once a chossid always a chossid" does not apply to these mishumodiker terrorists.
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30.
Chutzpah
Resident
why are the courts full of shomrim supporters? and not one person is there for the so called victim? and you write in the article that its the DA going after shomrim, its you the bochurim who are going on the stand talking about it. obviously it sounds like what shomrim did is 100% wrong but is it worth putting 6 fathers behind bars for 20 years??? think about it!! you bochurim learn in 770 is this what the rebbe would want? there were pleanty fights in the times of the rebbe never did anyone go and put someone in a jail!!!
31.
to # 30: Residential Chutzpah (& evil)
Here's a suggestion: YOU should go and have YOUR skull bashed in with a heavy metal object, then, have a few bones broken in YOUR hands and chest, for "dessert" a cuts and lacerations that need stiches, and then...when YOU will be terrorized by the ones who did it to you, we will tell you "obviously it sounds like what shomrim did is 100% wrong but is it worth putting 6 fathers behind bars for 20 years??? think about it!! you bochurim learn in 770 is this what the rebbe would want? there were pleanty fights in the times of the rebbe never did anyone go and put someone in a jail!!!" THE ONLY THING THAT'S STUPIDER THAN YOUR COMMENT IS THE THUGS THAT DID IT!
32.
I would love to go to court, show my support for the Bochurim. the only thing stopping me is my sheer fear of shomrim, and what they might do to me and my family. I also think that my support is not needed as the Bocurim have real evidence to support them. the shomrim should go to jail willingly after all there job is to protect our community. if they go to jail: 1: there will be only 1 patrol group in crown heights which is the first step towards safer streets. 2: no jew will get hurt from the aggressive shomrim members that have no more guts to give real beatings to criminals. so to shomrim: do the community a real service and go to prison knowing that then all the people in crown heights will feel much safer, you will be doing your job by not being there to make trouble thanks in advance: residence of crown heights.
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Hershkopps are dangerous for their families
"Have pity on the cruel and end up being cruel to the i
If they are beating up other jews. They are definitely beating up their own families and if everyone on this blog especially #32 is terrorized to stand up in court for the bochrim. I think their spouses or children are al achas kama vekama afraid to speak up about the abuse done to them. Twersky writes about this in his book "The shame Borne in Silence".
34.
gadi ben susi
every dog has his day!!!
35.
shomrim ratted on jews
Shomrim Mosered on shuchat and messed his life up for no reason he is such a great guy he is full of chesed . Than they blame shmira for mossering on him . Raffi Lefkowitz and gadi hershkop was seen hanging up wanted signs on kingston ave than threatening people to have them arrested if they take it down. Raffi Lefkowitz gave shuchats family and freinds info to the cops to go search for him to have him arrested after his family nearly took care of the lefkowitz family while growing up you can see what type of sick guy this is Yossi Fraenkel and Benny Lifshitz took shuchats facebook picture and gave it to the police and made up false accusations about him Aron hershkop was seen in the da office feeding the da with lies and than bragging about how he ratted on shuchat shomrim you guys are sick you will burn for this you screwed up my freinds life you guys are sick yitzy screw these rats and come back home we all miss you
36.
true facts
ad mosai
visit www.shomrim.blog.com for the true stories
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to #35
you mamish speak from the heart, but don't get obsessed with these shomrim guys - yesh din v'heshbon, they'll have to answer before the Aibishtar and do tshuva. better you daven and focus your energy to do all you can for your friend yitzy, the lost soul, to come home. may you all have a brocha to have personal redemption - yehi hamelech hamoshiach!
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suggestion
after you visit shomrim.blog for the "truth" you can go to ahmahdinajad/blog/holocaustneverhappened.com don't forget to donate $$$ to shomrim to help the USA chapter of AL QUAEDA, INC.
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Shomrim Problem
Amazed
After reading your story yesterday I made some phone calls to check it out. I was amazed to find out that your story is accurate, and even more amazed that the Judge offered a deal to 5 of the 6 Shomrim members to take an anger management course and all charges would be dropped AND THE SHOMRAIM MEMBERS REFUSED! Do they really think a jury in Kings County will find them innocent?
40.
video in court
joey
the video shows shomrim standing very quietly on the side the whole time and one member trying to calm the situation and explain to the tzfatim why they are there.. the fighting started when sholom wilhelm walked into the room and the tzfatim started screaming "moser" and shoving the door. that is when fighting started, and the fighting was the tzfatim pushing and shoving. this is what the video clearly shows!! also the guy "shatez" after being allegedly chocked by gadi hershkop - is seen minutes later hitting shomrim members. am i missing something here?
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Facts
Following the facts
I am following the case and it seems that the date of the incident was in Decemeber of 2007. Which is the date the Buchrim from 770 filed charges against Shomrim. The above letter signed by Lifshitz was signed in April of 2008 six months later. So if anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that these buchrim were the fist to press charges and anyone in there right mind should have press counter charges right away. It's a shame they waited six months as they could have made an agreement for both to drop them and this would have never went to court.
42.
Out of Towner
Why don't you gather your information and get on the scene before you make your comments/"factual" claims. I went to the trial out of curiosity and was so surprise at how confused and foolish the witnesses were. It's hardly a case and the evidence were full of holes, too many fishy details ... hardly enough to imprisoned the six men.
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achdus and ahavas chinam
yakov
As someone who is NOT Chabad I am appalled at these stories. My heart and thoughts are with Reb Sholom Mordecahi Rubashkin and I firmly believe that his lawsuit is directed against ALL of Chabad and all of Torah Jewry. Now is the worst time to create more sinas chinam. It is really time that each and everyone in Crown Heights should make a cheshbon hanefesh what the Holy Rebbe would say. May we see great yeshuos for klall yisroel from the oitzer matnass chinam.amen
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